Dor's wild night sparks a fiery debate when he asks Amy and special guest host Jonathan Gal “Are we the bad guys?” No punches are pulled in this emotionally charged heart-to-heart as Jonathan and Amy lay bare their pain, confusion, and even resentment over being vilified for defending their home. 

In a raw exchange, the hosts share their struggles with feeling demonized by the outside world, the profound loss of life on both sides, and the ongoing quest for hope amid despair. They navigate personal guilt and the challenges of explaining the situation to children, all while living through ongoing security threats.

The blame game takes center stage, they unpack and dissect the barbs thrown around, applying an unsparing critical lens to scrutinize media coverage and analyze the nature of the attacks.  In a pointed examination, Amy questions the New York Times' attempt to walk back its initial coverage of the explosion at al-Alhi hospital in Gaza City in a recent Editor’s Note. Jonathan introduces a new dimension by pondering whether the Hamas infiltration and attack on the Start-Up Nation were in fact "low tech."  They applaud UK barrister Natasha Hausdorff for taking a BBC presenter to task in a segment so good Amy watched it at least twice.

While not shying away from criticism of Israeli policies, they push back on one-sided narratives and the polarizing effect of single-issue politics on society. They advocate for a comprehensive understanding and bigger picture thinking, urging listeners to resist oversimplification, peel back the layers and shake it off. 

Amidst the chaos and complexities, they express cautious optimism that this "perfect storm" could be the catalyst for reconciliation and healing. 

Recorded on October 24 (Day 18).

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